RE: Sagesse d'Unicode...

[Patrick Andries <pandries@xxxxxxxxx>]

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Thierry Bouche =E9crivit :
> Concernant =AB RE: Sagesse d'Unicode... =BB, Patrick Andries =E9crit =
:=A0=AB
> =BB Si le v culbut=E9 (quelque chose comme ^) doit voir sa graisse =
modifi=E9e s'est
>
> =BB pour Unicode un aspect de pr=E9sentation dont la norme ne traite =
pas et ne
> veut
> =BB pas traiter.
>
> sauf que la d=E9finition de culbut=E9 fait bien tourner un _glyphe_, =
unicode
> n'a pas fini de faire rire...

C'est vrai, mais pour moi la chose ne para=EEt pas si ridicule.

On parle ici d'un glyphe virtuel, une silhouette =E0 traits uniformes. =
Comment=20
d=E9crire succinctement ces lettres ? Par leur fonction ? On en arrive =
alors,=20
dans certains cas, =E0 des d=E9finitions =E0 rallonge, prenons le cas du =
"a culbut=E9",=20
il d=E9signe d'apr=E8s Straka une voyelle entre [=E1] et [=F3]. Vous =
voyez d=E9j=E0 la=20
d=E9finition de ce caract=E8re !? Notez que parfois on utilisera des =
termes=20
d=E9crivant la fonction du caract=E8re ("d avec hame=E7on =
r=E9troflexe"), ici le=20
r=E9troflexe d=E9signe =E0 la fois un trait d'articulation ("pointe de =
la langue vers=20
le palais") et un aspect (toutes les consonnes r=E9troflexes ont un =
hame=E7on bien=20
caract=E9ristique).

>
> Je crois que la remarque de Jacques =E0 plut=F4t =E0 voir avec le fait =
qu'en
> l'occurence, il s'agirait d'un r=E9flexion horizontale, plut=F4t que =
d'une
> rotation.

Je respecte beaucoup Jacques et il a sans doute raison.
Quoi qu'il en soit je ne suis pas persuad=E9 que cela change grand chose =
:=20
Unicode d=E9signe simplement les caract=E8res  de mani=E8re univoque et =
relativement=20
succincte. En parlant de "m hamp=E9 culbut=E9(1)", "z boucl=E9 (2)" ou =
"l sangl=E9(3)",=20
ceux qui connaissent ces caract=E8res se souviendront  desquels il =
s'agit. J'ai=20
la faiblesse de croire que le processus de description de ces =
caract=E8res=20
(r=E9f=E9rence =E0 des lettres de base latine avec des modifications sur =
l'aspect)=20
est puissant et accessible =E0 tous. De plus, il semble en usage =
aupr=E8s de=20
plusieurs fournisseurs de fontes phon=E9tiques (SIL, par exemple).

Patrick Andries

(1) dont j'ai m=EAme des difficult=E9s =E0 trouver la d=E9finition...  =
(Noter qu'il=20
n'est pas n=E9cessaire de sp=E9cifier de quel c=F4t=E9 se trouve la =
hampe dans ce cas,=20
il n'y a qu'un m hamp=E9.)
(2) fricative alv=E9o-palatale sonore (polonais zi dans ziarno)
(3) consonne lat=E9rale fricative sourde (dentale et alv=E9olaire) le =
"ll" de LLoyd=20
en Gallois.

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